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  • Lea

    () 22 Sep 2010 01:09 am

    Felicidades por el nuevo formato del blog, te deseo mucho exito.

    Querría comentar que una de las posibilidades que se barajan para cuando el sistema económico llegue a esa situación límite es la implantación del dinero electrónico. El declive que se vislumbra para el mundo financiero en su conjunto restaría mucha resistencia al cambio. ¿Lo creeis posible y/o viable? ¿Como reaccionaría el oro ante esa medida? sobretodo si una mayoría corre a vender su oro .
    Gracias.

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    • physis1

      22 Sep 2010 08:09 am

      Es evidente que si hay un "run to the bank" internacional, la solución es impedir sacar el dinero en todos los países. Entonces la única opción será eliminar la presencia física del dinero, porque así ya nadie puede sacarlo de las sucursales. Y eso es el dinero electrónico.

      El argumento de sus defensores (la banca) ya lo conocemos: "así no te pueden robar". Pero lo que sucede es que ya te lo han robado todo (la banca) cuando no puedes disponer de él físicamente a tu libre albedrío.

      Desconozco las consecuencias de esta nueva situación. Pero de lo que estoy completamente convencido es que la población lo aceptará con la misma complacencia que se dejan esquilar las ovejas en primavera. Pues las élites ya saben que la sociedad se comporta como un rebaño y ellos actúan como pastores.

  • Lea

    () 22 Sep 2010 01:09 pm

    En todo caso esa posibilidad creo que sería transitoria en el tiempo. Dentro de 20-30 años, cuando estemos inmersos en la problemática energética, no me imagino un mundo funcionando electrónicamente a tan gran escala.

    La implantación del dinero electrónico afianzaría la dominación de las grandes multinacionales y una pérdida increible de libertad y (bio)diversidad, lo que produce una desazón increible.

    Aunque incipiente y minoritario, existe un movimiento anti-sistema que pelea contra el poder de las grandes corporaciones / élites. Intuyo que este movimiento avanzará imparable en las próximas décadas.

    Eso me hace confiar que un sistema basado en dinero electronico y grandes multinacionales aunque probable sería pasajero. Sería en mi opinión la fase final del capitalismo, la más dura.

    Un cordial saludo

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  • Cuallagar

    () 22 Sep 2010 02:09 pm

    Asombroso análisis. Usted me hizo leer hace tiempo todo lo que encontré de Fekete. Supongo, en mi ignorancia, que la idea de esta -¿podemos llamarla “privatización” de la convertibilidad?- vuelta de tuerca del mecanismo de asignación de la capacidad individual de compra y ahorro nos lleva efectivamente al dinero de plástico, y lo que es más importante, a la implantación de los tipos de interés negativos, para poder activar una economía muerta.

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  • álex de luxe

    () 22 Sep 2010 08:09 pm

    Recuerdo que hace no mucho hubo un experimento en este sentido (dinero electrónico) utilizando tarjetas del tipo Visa cash y fracasó. Cómo ir a un mercadillo sin dinero en metálico? Cómo comprarían los miles de millones de personas en el mundo que no tienen una cuenta corriente? Los pobres van a terminar siendo un engorro de verdad para el sistema.
    Cambiando de tema, existe alguna manera de obtener información sobre las bases del oro, aunque sea de forma indirecta?
    Un saludo y gracias.

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    • physis1

      22 Sep 2010 10:09 pm

      Sobre las bases del oro.
      Las bases sobre la diferencia libor-gofo, que es la más representativa:
      http://qmunty.com/gold-lr/

      Sobre el asunto teórico, como siempre Fekete:
      http://qmunty.com/antal-fekete/

  • David Fernandez

    () 24 Sep 2010 02:09 pm

    Hace mucho que sigo tu blog. Me resulta muy didáctico y la opinión que expresas en el me resulta en muchos niveles altamente valorable. No vas de ese rollo gurú y eso es muy de agradecer. Lo cierto es que nunca participo en este espacio pero creo que es hora de poner un pequeño post de felicitación. Soy consciente del trabajo que llevan estas cosas y además soy aún más consciente de que aplaudir un esfuerzo bien hecho a veces es una gran recompensa y una motivación para seguir. Felicidades pues.

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    • physis1

      24 Sep 2010 06:09 pm

      Gracias.

  • Lea

    () 25 Sep 2010 12:09 pm

    http://www.eleconomista.es/economia/noticias/2472848/09/10/5/Nino-Becerra-Esta-cantada-la-sustitucion-del-dinero-en-billetes-por-electronico-en-cinco-anos.html#Comentarios

    Lo de los mercadillos o compras pequeñas se soluciona retirando de la circulación solo los billetes y dejando una determinada cantidad de monedas.

    Pero sigue teniendo sus dificultades, por ejemplo, no sería de aplicación en paises pobres, por razones obvias. Los paises productores de drogas suelen ser pobres con lo cual ya por ahí el sistema tendría sus grietas.

    Además, el dinero electrónico requiere de internet para su correcto funcionamiento. ¿Qué caos no puede provocar un joven en el sistema desde su propia casa con un simple ordenador? No sería una revolución al estilo del S. XVIII, pero sería sin duda mil veces más destructiva. Por algo los Estados están tomandose tan en serio la domesticación de internet, esa si que es una batalla importante para los ciudadanos.

    Un saludo

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  • Disney Money

    () 25 Sep 2010 03:09 pm

    Me uno al comentario de David.

    Muchas gracias!

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  • Lea

    () 30 Sep 2010 01:09 pm

    Esta es la opinión de FOFOA sobre el dinero electrónico:

    You can read what I wrote about electronic money in this comment:

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/09/just-another-hyperinflation-post-part-3.html?showComment=1284851586451#c3123648084112141752

    ……. copio y pego el texto

    FOFOA said…
    Hi Raptor,

    Your questions:

    Q. Could this extend the life of $$ ?
    A. No

    Q. Would this cause a split it to two different currencies in a sense : electronic and physical.
    A. Perhaps

    Q. Would $$ in general benefit from such a move.
    A. No

    Q. Why not ?
    A. Because when you deny a currency its reserve, it falls in value. Look at ’71. Cut off the reserves (gold) and the dollar tumbles. Today the reserve is physical dollars. Separate that reserve from the currency and the currency will tumble.

    A purely digital currency without a trade surplus needs an ultimate backing. This is actually possible in Freegold but not today. So don’t look for hyperinflation in digital units. Look for wheelbarrows of physical cash! The government will print that which commands goods and services from the physical plane. And because hyperinflation is driven by fear of money by the physical plane, not greed, that will be physical cash.

    The way digital currency works is by tether. It is always tethered to a counterparty. Without that counterparty, there is no value in it. The value comes from the counterparty’s obligation to supply SOMETHING to the entity you paid with your digital currency. Usually it ends up being just another transfer to a different counterparty that is supplied. But without that “SOMETHING”, digital currency can’t work. There is no way in today’s technology to have an untethered digital currency, like a bearer bond or a dollar bill, that can circulate untethered. So the tether requires a counterparty, which requires something promised, which requires a “SOMETHING” other than the digital credit itself.

    So it all comes down to the solvency and credibility of the counterparties. And most of the digital currency that circulates today is tethered to insolvent counterparties running trade deficits. We don’t see this. We don’t even realize it, and that’s how we end up with fantasies like this “all digital currency” nonsense.

    But when faith collapses, this “SOMETHING” will come to the forefront. And today, that “SOMETHING” is physical dollar bills. When the currency collapses, it is the sellers of physical goods that are in the driver’s seat. They will not simply raise prices to get more digits unless there is “SOMETHING” limiting those digits. That “SOMETHING” is physical cash.

    Remember this: in hyperinflation the physical plane FEARS the monetary plane because it is crashing. It is not GREED that drives the prices up, “give me more credits for this apple.” It is FEAR of the credits, “get those credits away from my apple”… “but wait, sir, here I can double my offer, two wheelbarrows of cash for your apple.”

    I honestly feel like I’m talking to a pile of rocks here. NO ONE gets it. Hyperinflation today will look just like Weimar and Zimbabwe in this respect. WHEELBARROWS! Or their modern equivalent. A quick devaluation of the dollar like Argentina or Iceland will not be enough to change the fear of the physical plane back into greed. Instead it will begin the long fall of a currency that is too old and too large to do anything else but fall very, very far.

    The only way to eliminate physical currency altogether is to have a central authority backing the digits with SOMETHING ELSE. And the only thing that can be is a FLOATING RESERVE like Freegold. It doesn’t actually NEED to be gold, but it must be something. And in Freegold they truly could eliminate cash. Because all digits will ultimately be backed by the floating reserves of the central monetary authority. You can walk in anywhere and change them in for gold at gold’s current floating price. The reserves NEVER RUN OUT because they float. It won’t matter how many credits are issued, the reserves will just rise in price and never run out.

    Today the reserves are physical dollars. If you eliminate physical dollars you don’t get hyperinflation, you get instant worthlessness. I suppose that COULD look like hyperinflation for a very brief time, but the idea is so ludicrous it simply won’t be tried, NWO paranoids notwithstanding.

    If a smaller country tried this experiment domestically there would have to be some central authority backing the digital credits with something OTHER THAN CREDITS. There would have to be. Even if the backing was simply euros or US dollars. It would have to be something harder than credits. That’s what a reserve backing is. Something relatively “harder” than the circulating medium.

    Ever heard of a black market? If the US government tried something like this with the dollar it would send everyone into black market mode almost immediately. Yes, gold and silver would THEN become transactional currency once again. As would cash and even foreign currency. This is one of the worst-case scenarios ANOTHER spoke of.

    If you are really interested in understanding this the way it actually is, then you must think like a central banker, not like a NWO paranoid that thinks he knows how they are sticking it to the little guy.

    In a currency, the little guy DOESN’T MATTER. What matters are the people who matter. The EXTERNALS. You can’t have a domestic currency unless it provides “SOMETHING” to the externals.

    That SOMETHING must be either a solid trade surplus (goods) or else a backing OTHER THAN THE DIGITS. And it must be something HARDER than the digits. Otherwise the digits won’t be accepted by the externals because you are running a trade deficit.

    When you run a trade deficit you ship out more digits than goods. So there must be SOMETHING to back those extra digits, other than more digits.

    The dollar is still backed by gold through the paper gold market. The externals that matter most (oil) are still cashing it in for physical gold. It is also backed by oil supporting it through pricing because trade surplus nations like China can use some of their surplus credits for oil that doesn’t come from the US. And then oil uses those credits for physical gold from the paper gold arena. But this backing is breaking down now. For others, the dollar is backed by physical cash and Treasuries which are promises to pay physical cash. If the dollar was only a digit, then those Treasuries would be worthless to the externals.

    The paranoids think “well the sheeple bought this digital-everything scheme, so I’m sure the banksters will take it to the next level and REALLY screw us now.” But if you think like a central banker, you’ll realize that THE SHEEPLE DON’T MATTER in the big picture. Sure, they are the domestic backing for the currency, yes. But they are the backing as it is reflected EXTERNALLY. It does no good to you, the central banker, as a purely domestic medium. It must have MEANING (VALUE) in a broader context to do you any good.

    If you create a truly honest currency then the SHEEPLE will create a trade surplus and you will not need trickery through your currency to gain profit. If you create a deceitful currency, then the SHEEPLE will create a trade deficit and you will need a reserve that is AT LEAST a little harder than your currency. What a miracle the Fed has such a reserve that it can ALSO create, albeit with a little more effort!

    When the circulating currency was dollar bills, the reserve was gold. When that reserve was cut loose, the dollar plunged. Today the currency is mostly digital (tethered) credits and the reserve is dollar bills. If you can’t understand this principle, then you can’t understand money.

    Fooling the sheeple is the easy part. SATISFYING THE EXTERNALS IS THE HARD PART. And without some sort of backing, either a trade surplus or something HARDER than your currency, you don’t have a prayer. The dollar bill is harder, and amazingly it is still accepted as harder. This is why they (physical dollar bills) will be printed in GREAT QUANTITIES when faith in the symbolic currency collapses.

    When confidence in your currency collapses you must inflate it just to keep functioning yourself (i.e. the USG!) If you have a reserve, you will revert back to that reserve because THAT is what the EXTERNALS want and it will give you more purchasing power to inflate that reserve, if it is inflatable. This is why when faith in the dollar dies the Fed will print cash like crazy. Finally cashing in on the miracle scheme of the inflatable global reserve! Tethered credits will lose value much faster than cash and cash will be demanded by the physical plane. If the Fed doesn’t print cash (which is a ludicrous notion) it will be retired and the Treasury will print cash. It’s really not that difficult of a logical progression to follow. And no one has shown me another way it could play out. When I see one, I will let you know.

    Sincerely,
    FOFOA

    September 18, 2010

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